Re: Gtk and bowsers [sic] [was: Opera for Linux ]

["Stephen J. Turnbull" <nospam [at] sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>]

>>>>> "Will" == Will Newton <will [at] misconception.org.uk> writes:

    Will> "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull [at] sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> tapped
    Will> some keys and produced:

    >> Um, well, the fact is that Gtk simply threw out a decade and a
    >> half of X development, and is entirely incompatible with
    >> everything else in the X11 world at the event loop level.  Not
    >> to mention that it can only handle one display at a time.

    Will> I've seen several UI systems that have a similar event
    Will> model.

So?  "Just because a million people do a stupid thing ... it's still a
stupid thing."  -- Opus the Penguin

Xt has its good features and its bad one.  Gtk is about remedying a
lot of the bad ones at the expense of the good ones.  Satisfactory if
your goal is a replacement for Windose, as I already pointed out.

    Will> Details? Mozilla and mnemonic (plus a few other projects)
    Will> are creating browsers for GTK.

Not ones that can display on more than one display, AFAIK.  My XEmacs
process has handled as many as six different displays at once, that's
the max I can recall: an X connection on the same box, an X connection
on the LAN, an X connection via PPP, and three TTY connections to
random XTerms and Linux VCs.  I would really, really like my browser
to be able to do the same thing, but w3.el is too slow and its
configuration is fragile (you have to be very careful about mixing and
matching fonts or tables really really suck).

    >> Including crashes.  I would be willing to bet [..] that part of
    >> Mozilla's problem is non-robustness in the Gtk event handling
    >> stuff.

    Will> That's a bold statement. Look at the Mozilla bug database
    Will> and tell me that's GTK. Mozilla sucks under Win32 as well.

Do you understand what the word "part" means?
 
    Will> Lynx is OK for some things (like not crashing) but is just
    Will> too limiting when you hit a site that requires JS and frames
    Will> to navigate properly.

echo "www.frames-only.com 127.0.0.1" >> /etc/hosts

works for me.  YMMV.

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