Re: [Sheflug] EMacs for mail - nearly there!!!

[Guennadi Liakhovetski <nospam [at] ragingbull.com>]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

> >>>>> "g" == g liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski [at] ragingbull.com> writes:
> 
>     g> One thing I wasn't able to figure out when I was considering
>     g> using emacs for email - does anybody know if it is possible
>     g> (and how) to save outgoing messages?
> 
> Automatically, I'm not sure.  Depends on which mailer you use.  I tend
> to use FCC (bound to C-c C-f C-f in most mailers) for the occasional
> personal mail; most of my mail ends up going to lists and coming back
> into the appropriate box.  Any of the mailers can be fairly easily set
> up to add arbitrary headers.

Not sure here... Can you choose a mailer being an ordinary (not
super-) user? Should be possible... Your incoming mail is delivered to you
using a globally set-up mailer, but how you send your mail - up to you,
never tried though...

> The threading sucks, the internationalization sucks, it's hard to yank

..happily works with cyrillic fonts, using ispell with it you can use any
dictionary...

> and quote messages in a pleasant and polite way, the degree of

Yep, this is true, have to admit.

> customizability is flat-out _weak_ :-), it doesn't have dunnet,
> Tetris, or psychoanalyze-pinhead for those times when you've run out
> of things to say, it doesn't do IRC or ICQ, it doesn't do inline audio
> (well, neither does GNU Emacs) or images (neither does GNU Emacs yet),
> the Help icon isn't the Hitchhiker logo, it doesn't have a web client,

..Works with lynx nicely...

> it doesn't validate your SGML, you have to change to a different
> application to edit directories, and it's rather difficult to edit

..don't mind using different applications for different purposes... I
seem to remember seeing this idea - beeing able to do 'everything' from 1
application somewhere before... IE, was it?:-)) Sorry, don't want to
offend anybody:-)

> Pine's source code using Pine, which is the only way to do real
> customization on Pine since it doesn't embed a real language..

Huh... Do you use *** to modify ***'s source code (substitute any prog
except SOME text editors:-))?

> Emacs isn't for everybody.  If Pine does what you want it to do, it
> probably is significantly easier to deal with than Emacs.  But if
> Emacs does what you want it to, it's very convenient to let it do more
> and more for you.  And powerful---the more you learn about the VM
> mailer, the more you know about c-mode and Perl-mode and SGML.

I like emacs, use it a lot, but it's easier for me to switch to an xterm
and type mkdir foo, rather than using dired or spawning a shell prompt. I
prefer using a fork AND a knife, rather than having them combined into a
universal tool:-) But this is just a matter of taste:-)

Cheers
Guennadi
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Dr. Guennadi V. Liakhovetski
Department of Applied Mathematics
University of Sheffield, U.K.
email: G.Liakhovetski [at] sheffield.ac.uk


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