Re: [Sheflug] EMacs for mail - nearly there!!!

["Stephen J. Turnbull" <nospam [at] sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>]

>>>>> "Guennadi" == Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski [at] ragingbull.com> writes:

    >> Automatically, I'm not sure.  Depends on which mailer you use.
    >> I tend to use FCC (bound to C-c C-f C-f in most mailers) for
    >> the occasional personal mail; most of my mail ends up going to
    >> lists and coming back into the appropriate box.  Any of the
    >> mailers can be fairly easily set up to add arbitrary headers.

    Guennadi> Not sure here... Can you choose a mailer being an
    Guennadi> ordinary (not super-) user? Should be possible... Your

I meant MUA.  XEmacs supplies at least mew, VM, Gnus, RMail (all fully
implemented in Emacs), and MH-E (an interface to the MH MUA).  There
are at least three others I know of, but don't come standard with
XEmacs.

    Guennadi> ..happily works with cyrillic fonts, using ispell with
    Guennadi> it you can use any dictionary...

Yes, but if you have a Greek friend who sends mail using your Pine,
it will be labelled either Cyrillic or US-ASCII.  Lose, lose.
(Unforgivable, really, given that Mark Crispin wrote a couple of the
important I18N RFCs for mail.)

    >> the Help icon isn't the Hitchhiker logo, it doesn't have a web
    >> client,

    Guennadi> ..Works with lynx nicely...

Inline?

    >> it doesn't validate your SGML, you have to change to a
    >> different application to edit directories, and it's rather
    >> difficult to edit

    Guennadi> ..don't mind using different applications for different
    Guennadi> purposes... I seem to remember seeing this idea - beeing
    Guennadi> able to do 'everything' from 1 application somewhere
    Guennadi> before... IE, was it?:-)) Sorry, don't want to offend
    Guennadi> anybody:-)

Oh, I use lots of different applications.  My usual editor for quick
work at the command line (lilo.conf) is ae, I've never bothered to
change the default editor for CVS logs from vi.  I use Mozilla and
lynx, grep and python.  But when I want integration, it's all there in
XEmacs.

    >> Pine's source code using Pine, which is the only way to do real
    >> customization on Pine since it doesn't embed a real language..

    Guennadi> Huh... Do you use *** to modify ***'s source code
    Guennadi> (substitute any prog except SOME text editors:-))?

sed, python, and perl.

But the point is that often enough I do surgery on a running XEmacs.
Usually I save the changes (and send in the diffs :-)  This is hard to
do on most apps....

I find that now that I've become a serious developer, I actually do
modify XEmacs sources to get _other_ work done better or faster.  Send
in the diffs, make life better for everybody.  One way to pay back the
huge debt I owe Don and rms and Linus and Jamie and Brian and Guido
and Larry and Dennis and Bjarne and Eric and Kyle and larsi and Uli
and Ken'ichi and DJ and Russell and Donald and Karl and Peter and ....

Not for everybody, but it works for me.

    Guennadi> I like emacs, use it a lot, but it's easier for me to
    Guennadi> switch to an xterm and type mkdir foo, rather than using
    Guennadi> dired or spawning a shell prompt. I

I do too.  Or did.  I find that nowadays, living on the bleeding edge
in several applications (some of my Japanese applications are _still_
bleeding two and three years after their last public release :-( ),
having an infinitely large editable history buffer is a life saver.

I also get tired of forgetting which xterm I left the critical history
in.  Emacs allows me to pop up new windows at will, but it's always
the same Emacs and remembers where I was in the the other windows.

    Guennadi> prefer using a fork AND a knife, rather than having them
    Guennadi> combined into a universal tool:-) But this is just a
    Guennadi> matter of taste:-)

Yeah, well, check my address.  I don't use a fork or a knife, I use a
universal tool:  chopsticks.  ("I think I'm turning Japanese, I really
think so.")


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